Who won the vice presidential debate tonight? Tim Kaine handles Mike Pence in Virginia
Published 7:36 am Tuesday, October 4, 2016
Vice Presidential candidates Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Virginia) and Gov. Mike Pence (Indiana) squared off for 90 minutes tonight in Virginia in the one and only debate these candidates will have, and Kaine came out on top even though Pence scored style points.
The discussion focused mostly on Presidential candidates Hillary Clinton (Democrat) and Donald Trump (Republican), but Kaine landed blows by repeatedly bringing up that Trump will not release his tax returns and suggesting that Trump is favorable to Russia’s Putin because of business dealings.
Both were poised, and experienced career politicians who used calmness. Though Kaine interrupted more often during the debate, and was more aggressive, generally, on the offensive — Pence was on his heels a bit at times not directly defending Kaine’s attacks on Trump.
Pence did respond to the tax returns issue by asking Kaine does he not take deductions? He also suggested that Trump has merely used rules of the American tax code. But Pence had a hard time explaining why Trump has not released his tax returns with the general election just weeks away.
Kaine said early in the debate that the idea of Trump as President of the United States “scares us to death.” Kaine also said he is a gun owner, but “I have a lot of scar tissue.”
Pence had more to say about immigration and what Donald Trump planned to do about it, while Kaine mostly attacked Trump’s plans.
“Donald Trump has a plan to deal with immigration,” Pence said. “Once we have accomplished all of that…then we will deal with those who remain.”
Both candidates remained relatively calm throughout the debate — Pence could perhaps give running mate Trump some pointers of good manners for a debate. But Kaine keep a steady attack on Trump’s statements during the campaign on issues from immigration to attacks on others.
When asked what he would do to unify the country if the Clinton ticket wins, Kaine said Hillary will work across the aisle as she has in the past. “After election day the goal is to work together.”
Here are quotes and notes from tonight’s debate in order from the top being near the end to the bottom being at the beginning:
*Pence: “We need to make a commitment to rebuild our military.”
*Kaine has gained stamina in the second half of the debate, and he is keeping up his attack on Trump and his not releasing tax returns and his support of Russia and Putin.
*Pence: “I’m just trying to keep up with the insult driven campaign on the other side.” Pence suggests Obama and Hillary have not made the world more safe and secure.
*Kaine: Suggests that Trump if sitting with Russia or other leaders may be representing his interests if President not America’s interests.
*Kaine: “Donald Trump has business dealings with Russia that he refuses to disclose.”
*Pence: He says to Kaine, when pushed on Trump’s taxes, “Do you not take deductions?”
*Kaine: “Donald Trump has again and again praised Vladimir Putin…clear he has business dealings with…”
*Pence: says America isn’t as safe as it was before Barack Obama became President. “We are back at war in Iraq.”
*Kaine: “(Donald Trump) has dangerous ideas” regarding global security.
*Pence: Speaking aggressively on immigration and customs about getting illegals out of the country. Then he said Trump wants to reform the immigration system that we have.
*Kaine and Pence are debating Donald Trump’s behavior.
“Pence: Trump has a plan to deal with immigration. Once we have accomplished all of that…then we will deal with those who remain.
*Kaine: “If you want to have a society where people are respected…you can’t have someone at the top who demeans…”
*Pence is struggling in the debate so far compared with Kaine. He is not able to sharply articulate his point so far on several issues.
*Kaine: “I’m a gun owner. But I have a lot of scar tissue.”
Pence and Kaine speaking over one another about Trump’s tax return, or lack thereof. Moderator reminds them that the people can’t understand when they talk over each other.
*Pence: on question about report that Donald Trump has not paid taxes after a major loss in 1995 Pence said Trump is a businessman not a politician. “He used the tax code and did it brilliantly.”
*Pence: “Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine want to build on Obamacare… But (Pence) and Trump have a plan. We can get America moving again.” Pence says he and Trump want to cut taxes to middle class.
*The debate format leading to both candidates talking at once frequently in early minutes.
*Pence: Attacks Hillary Clinton over issues in the world, like Middle East, Iraq and Russia. Kaine interrupts Pence. Pence reclaims floor. Pence says again he was interrupted but Kaine interrupts and says, “isn’t this (format) a discussion?” Moderator affirms it is a discussion.
*Kaine: “Donald Trump always puts himself first.”
*Tim Kaine speaks first and says he is proud to be running mate of Hillary Clinton. “My wife and I…trust Hillary Clinton as commander in chief. The thought of Donald Trump as commander in chief scares us to death.”
Some things to watch for in Tuesday’s debate at Longwood University in Farmville, Virginia.
Pence and Kaine have campaigned full tilt for more than two months now, but plenty of people still don’t have a feel for them. In a recent Associated Press-GfK poll, more than half of registered voters said they didn’t know enough about Kaine to venture an opinion about him, and about 44 percent said the same for Pence. This is their big moment to show they’re qualified to be next in line to the president.
Trump may disdain traditional debate prep, but Kaine and Pence both have embraced the Scout motto: Be prepared. Each must be ready to defend his own record, skewer his opponent and do the same for the top of the ticket.
Pence and Kaine have to decide whether to focus more on one another or on Trump and Clinton. Watch how they toggle between the two tasks. Look for Pence, who calls Clinton “the most dishonest person ever to seek the presidency,” to zero in on lines of attack that Trump hardly touched in the first debate, such as questions about whether Clinton played favorites as secretary of state with donors to the Clinton Foundation. Kaine will try to act as a character witness for Clinton and go after Trump, of whom the senator says his “only recognized passion in his life has been for himself.”
DEFENDING THE INDEFENSIBLE
Pence will have the added herculean task of explaining away the steady stream of insults, barbs and inflammatory comments delivered by his running mate, including the latest contretemps over a beauty queen whom Trump has shamed for gaining weight. Pence has had plenty of practice in recent weeks. Expect him to employ a strategy of praising Trump for his unscripted style as a “bold truth teller” without arguing the merits of the GOP nominee’s specific comments.
THE TAX MAN
Pence could well be asked about Trump’s tax strategy after The New York Times reported over the weekend that the billionaire businessman lost so much money in a single year that he could have avoided any federal income tax liability for 18 years. With an audience of millions, will Pence echo Trump’s claims that he used the tax laws “brilliantly?” or try some other tack?
THREADING THE NEEDLE
Both candidates may need to navigate areas where they have policy differences with their running mates; Pence more so than Kaine. Pence, for example, says it’s clear that human activity is affecting the climate while Trump has called global warming a hoax. Kaine holds that U.S. military operations against the Islamic State group have not been properly approved by Congress, a point of disagreement with Clinton.
Expect both Pence, an evangelical, and Kaine, a former Catholic missionary, to showcase their religious backgrounds in an effort to appeal to different constituencies. Pence likes to say of himself: “I’m a Christian, a conservative and a Republican — in that order.” Kaine often brings up his time as a missionary in Honduras, working in a few lines of Spanish along the way to reach out to Hispanics.
Past vice presidential debates have provided some memorable lines. Republican Bob Dole’s cutting quip in 1976 about all the Americans killed in “Democrat wars” did him no good. Democrat Lloyd Bentsen’s 1988 putdown of Republican Dan Quayle with his “You’re no Jack Kennedy” line still singes. Third-party candidate James Stockdale’s rambling 1992 opening questions of “Who am I? Why am I here?” captured a candidate who was clearly out of his element. Four years ago, Vice President Joe Biden’s denunciations of Republican Paul Ryan’s budget math as “a bunch of malarkey” showed considerably more spark than did President Barack Obama’s leaden performance against rival Mitt Romney in the leadoff presidential debate.
CBS News’ Elaine Quijano will be under the microscope as moderator, especially since Trump has complained that NBC’s Lester Holt, the moderator of last week’s debate, was too tough on him.
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Associated Press writers Nancy Benac in Washington and Kathleen Ronayne in Raleigh, North Carolina, contributed to this report.